Canon 450D or 500D?

[Jochum]

I have a older 350D and ponder to update it, however the cheaper 450D has better pixel sharpness, but 500D has more pixels so from a panorama point of view which is to desire of them do you think? I guess they sort of are equal, I have to choose between sharpness or resolution, but what gives the best panorama with most details, chime in with your thoughts. :)

[360VT.co.uk]

Yer, Spend a bit extra and get the 50D

I got the 50D and now wish I’d spent the extra for the 5D with the full size sensor.

[discocandy]

The 500d has the new processor wich is also used in the 50D.
400 iso is now just as good as 100 iso on the 450d.
so there is more to think about.

the 500D is a small camera, If you have large hands. get the 50D.
I've bought it after my 350D wich I still have as a backup camera.

The 15 Mp camera makes much largere files wich also slows down your workflow. with me (50D) around 30% slower to stitch in ptgui.
Filesize is huge when stitching at maximum size.

all things to think about.
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[Jochum]

Thanks both. Yes 500D, a 50D I can't afford.
I'm an old Pentaxowner so I think even 350D is too big, anyway I have it on the tripod so I seldom hold it.
Would still be glad to hear something about which of slight more resolution or slight more sharpness is best from a panorama point of view?

[discocandy]

then I personally would choose the 500D over the 450D
all because of the processor inside.
I really think it is a big step forward.
specially when you take pictures at 100 iso. you can not miss the quallity difference between the old and new processor. (noise)
I use it with a 8mm sigma F4.
I might change into some better lens when the money ship finds my house :)

[Jochum]

I think dpreview think the 450 is less noisy? Maybe I got it wrong... I rely on you. :)

Yeah maybe it was with high ISO, you mean in longer exposures, that is more critical for us yes.

[360VT.co.uk]

Personally if I hat to choose between the 450 and the 500, it would be the 500

As DC says it has the better sensor and the new processor

But you need to be happy, when I was looking to get mine, I went to the shop with my sigma 8mm lens and memory card in hand, and played with there demo cameras, then I went home and scrutinised the images.

The guy in the shop thought I was mad, but he’d be the one that’s mad now, because I did not buy the camera from him, got it on the web for half the price.

So shop about, I did not pay much more for my 50D than the RRP of a 500D

[Jochum]

500D and 50D is the same sensor and the same quality?
Only advantage I see is that 50D has a compensation for different lenses autofocus (the english word for it I forgot), that's good. But the downside for 50D is it is big and clumsy, too bad.
More?

[discocandy]

well if you find the 50D big and clumsy you got to have small hands.:cool:
I always found the 350D to small for my hands and see it as a " woman" camera.
But if you only use it for panorama and use a tripod it is a great small camera.. I use it also for other work and then the 50d is my personal choice.
even better a fullframe as the markII but still waiting for that moneyship....:rolleyes:

[Jochum]

Correct myself, the 50D has no gaps between the microlenses on the sensor, but that makes change over 1600 ASA, something I seldom use. Otherwise the 50D is little faster, nothing I use either.

Actually looked on the cameras today in a shop, I'm of normal size/length but the 50D looked ridicolous large compared, made more for busdrivers than photographers. :D
No the 500D is the camera for me I think.

However the 50 comes bundled with the nice canon 17-85mm with a nice pricetag so... I dont know.

[Jochum]

Yeah, were and investigated the two cameras again today, 50D was like holding a refrigerator in front of me, felt like I was one hand tall, can't understand anyone likes that absurd size. :D :D :D
Have I to say I bought the 500D? I did. Also it wouldn't feel so terrible to drop a camera worth like say less than a small car on the floor like dropping the almost double expensiver 50D. So it will be. :)

Now one have to buy one or two more HD though.

(sorry for the english)

[360VT.co.uk]

Jochum

That’s great, you were looking at the 450 and the 500, and you bought the better camera.

And as long as you’re happy with it, that’s all that counts.

Personally, I’m just looking forward to seeing the great panoramas you make with it

Harry

[discocandy]

And as long as you’re happy with it, that’s all that counts.

Personally, I’m just looking forward to seeing the great panoramas you make with it

Harry

that's make 2 of us!
Great buy!!

[Jochum]

Thanks guys! Yes that will maybe take a while, have a lot of old panos to make first. :)

[Jochum]

Was myself curious how much the 15mp versa 8mp could do with my Sigma 8mm fisheye so I did a small comparison if anyone is interested. The dump is taken from the center. I think it does do some improvement but I guess the quality (low) of the fisheye is nagging little on the improvement. However not a dramatical change but a change.

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Damn... I can't show them side by side, aah, don't know how to do. Anyway you maybe can open both somehow. ...One way is to rightclick and open them in new windows.

[tinwe]

Yeah, both look really soft IMO, but it could be the lens, or both.

From the mixed reviews I've read there really isn't that huge a difference between the 450D and the 500D. Both entry level cameras only a year apart from each other.
As for the resolution, it won't matter that much (if any at all), since the vast majority of all panoramas are shrunk for webpurposes anyhow. I've seen few panoramas displaying much more than 1000 pix on each cubeface.
...That is until FPP starts supporting gigapanoramas, but that's a whole different issue, which in turn sets even higher demands on your camera.

My advice would instead be a cheap, used advanced level camera, like 40D. Or why not go Full Format semipro with a used 5D and cut the amount of photos needed for a full sphere.

[Jochum]

The pictures are straight out from the camera, jpeg, and no sharpening applied, and cropped and saved jpeg again, don't know if any could get better out fram any fisheye?
The text on the blue book to right in bottom is easier to read with 15mp version.
But you've right, I can get already fantastic sharp panos from my old 350D, though if there are better camera with more resolution in sight it can't be worser to use a better camera, some day I maybe want to make even bigger panos and then it is good I used one with more resolution. And I personally don't see any use of gigapanos, nor what they would accomplish or all space they will clutter on my harddrive.

[discocandy]

Yeah, both look really soft IMO, but it could be the lens, or both.

Well most digital cameras give a "flatter" (less contrast) image as an normal film camera
90% of the time that's easy boosted inside photoshop.

I've read there really isn't that huge a difference between the 450D and the 500D. Both entry level cameras only a year apart from each other.
As for the resolution, it won't matter that much (if any at all), since the vast majority of all panoramas are shrunk for webpurposes anyhow. I've seen few panoramas displaying much more than 1000 pix on each cubeface.

Well depends on what you see in differnce. The new pocessor is the a big step foreward over the 450D.
and more pixels means you can use your camera longer for this kind of photography.
1600x1600 might now be the right way to use your images but when it is possible to do higher ones I would instantly change my panoramas to that size..
Also I do not only take panoramas with my camera.

[tinwe]

Ha, sorry, but you really sound like a sales rep for Canon 500D ;)

I'd recommend Jochum to form his own opinion by studying reviews like
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos500d/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos450d/
...and perhaps even Nikon's alternatives (as long as he's not already stuck knee deep into Canon lenses)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond5000/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond90/
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond60/

BUT
First and foremost it's all a matter of taste. Your adaption of the camera controls, build quality, user interface.... heck even the sound of the shutter.
If you're comfortable with a camera, you'll take way more and better pictures than any other camera on the market, no matter its sensor and onboard chips.
So, visit your local camera dealer and try them out IRL first, is my advice. And don't exclude buying used semipro equipment. I bet their life expectancy is higher than a new entry level camera never the less.

[discocandy]

Ha, sorry, but you really sound like a sales rep for Canon 500D ;)

LOL not really. I would recoment a bigger camera as the 500...:)



BUT
First and foremost it's all a matter of taste. Your adaption of the camera controls, build quality, user interface.... heck even the sound of the shutter.
If you're comfortable with a camera, you'll take way more and better pictures than any other camera on the market, no matter its sensor and onboard chips.

Wise.. very wise and so true.. But he asked for advice, and that's what we gave altho that is always made on personal opinions :)

[Jochum]

And, again, it's already bought. :D And I'm happy with it. Though I also bought a new Sigma zoom that can't focus, but that's not the camera to blame.