Shaking Cube-Faces

[Aki]

Hi all,
after I updated from 2.2 (because of the wavy-line-problem) to 2.3 some of the Cube-Faces are shaking when the pano is paning. You can see this effect on all Panos especially when using fullscreen-mode.
Are there any workarounds against this problem?

Or is there another workaround (other than updating to 2.3.) to make the wavy-line-thing go away? I have this wavy lines when I use .mov-files and cube-faces – is there another way that maybe straights the lines?

Cheers
Aki

[HansNyberg]

The problem is only a Mac problem. It might be a Flash bug but it may also be a because Denis has not been able to optimize the plugin for Mac.
I have written to him but have not yet got any comment on it.

For those who want to see how it looks I have made a video.
http://www.panoramas.dk/flash10/dancing-cubefaces.mov

Hans

[Aki]

Hi Hans,
yes I saw this picture on your website – and in this context with the face the effect is almost nice, because it gives live to this strange face.
But on the very, very most panoramas this effect is not acceptable and as I have more and more costumers who are using Macs I will skip the 2.3 and go back to the 2.2 for the most of my panoramas.

Are there any tactics how I can solve the wobbly-line-effect in 2.2?

Best Regards to Denmark from the northern Part of Germany
Aki

[HansNyberg]

Hi Hans,
Are there any tactics how I can solve the wobbly-line-effect in 2.2?
Best Regards to Denmark from the northern Part of Germany
Aki

Just use segments="28"
You can even use up to 40
This will reduce most of the wavy lines.
But keep the qualityMotion at low


Hans

[Aki]

Thank you!
40 really make thinks much better!

Cheers
Aki

[Aki]

Is there already a solution for this "shaking-problem" with 2.3?

As 2.2 with segments of about 30 is very proccesor-hungry, I really would like to use 2.3 but I still need this shaking fixed.

Ahoi
Aki

[aiwetir]

Is there already a solution for this "shaking-problem" with 2.3?

As 2.2 with segments of about 30 is very proccesor-hungry, I really would like to use 2.3 but I still need this shaking fixed.

Ahoi
Aki

no solution, not a word from denis on it either :roll:
it's been a couple of months now hasn't it ?

[HansNyberg]

AKI
Using segments 30 is not more processor hungry than using 2.3 with flash 10.
Just remember that you have to use qualitymotion=low
This is default with 2.2 but unfortuantely Denis changed the default to medium with 2.3

Means that you have to set a special qualityMotion2 = low to get decent framerate on computers just a few years old.

Another weird thing with Flash 10 is that framerate especially on Macs is increasing when you go fullscreen. If you compare a panorama in a large fullscreen window with real flash-fullscreen you may get double framerate when you enter fullscreen.

I am not sure yet if it is an isolated Mac problem or if it has to do with the videocard.
Some PC people I talked to have reported the same.

I am now publishing panoramas in a smaller window with fullscreen option as expanding them to full high resolution browser windows can virtually freeze the panning if you have something else running on your computer.

Hans

[aiwetir]

hans,

do these people who have seen it on their pc also see it in krpano or pano2vr ?

its not a mac or video card thing, it's an fpp thing

[HansNyberg]

hans,

do these people who have seen it on their pc also see it in krpano or pano2vr ?

its not a mac or video card thing, it's an fpp thing

You mean the framerate?

It is a Flash 10 thing and I suspect it is a Mac PPC especially, even if a couple has told me they seen it on PC also . Same for me with other viewers.
I posted this in PanotoolsNG a month ago but never really got any tests from other people.

I have added the FPS meter to Steve Dorans City of Arts
http://www.panoramas.dk/2008/flash/valencia-city-of-arts.html

Here are mine for Autorotation
Mac G5 dualcore 2.0 with 2 monitors. 128mb VRAM
Cinema 23" 1920x1200: Browser FPS 6 - Fullscreen FPS 12
32" LCD 1344x768: Browser FPS 12 - Fullscreen FPS 20

MacBook Pro 17 2,16 mhz 1660x1050
Browser FPS 16 - Fullscreen FPS 18

[aiwetir]

no i was talking about the shaking cube faces, sorry.

i'm not really concerned about the frame rate that much ;)

[HansNyberg]

no i was talking about the shaking cube faces, sorry.

i'm not really concerned about the frame rate that much ;)

Ok the cubeface shaking is a Mac thing only. I have never heard anyone with PC seeing it.
Also it is FPP even if I can see it slightly on the first flash 10 demo from KRPano.
There is no problem in Pano2VR. I have even tried Pano2VR with external cubefaces to check it but can not see any problem.

Denis promised to try and optimize for it but I have not heard anything more from him.

[Aki]

...Means that you have to set a special qualityMotion2 = low to get decent framerate on computers just a few years old...

Shout I write:

qualityMotion = 2

or

qualityMotion2 = low
?

Usualy I write: qualityMotion = low



Is there a new special "qualityMotion2" Variable?

Ahoi
Aki

[Scott Witte]

Shout I write:

qualityMotion = 2

or

qualityMotion2 = low
?

qualityMotion is used for Flash 9 players and/or FPP 2.2 or earlier. It is ignored if you have Flash 10 and are using FPP 2.3.

qualityMotion2 is only used by FPP 2.3 with Flash 10. Otherwise it is ignored.

[aiwetir]

would sure appreciate some news on this

[Scott Witte]

would sure appreciate some news on this

I think you will have to wait for v2.4. This is one of the issues Denis is working to optimize as I understand. Among the others is working with anti-aliasing (quality) which works differently in Flash10 vs Flash9. Not sure if he is giving this 100% of his time but he had planned to have 2.4 out before the end of 2008. I'm hoping that means sometime very soon, although he may be finding some tasks more challenging than he expected.